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money manWhen I’m talking to meat eaters about veganism, either in an actual outreach scenario like tabling at an event, or in simple conversation with someone through work or a party or whatever, I often hear this:

“Yeah, I thought about trying that, but it’s way too expensive.”

This isn’t just a meat-eating misconception either: if you’re a vegan who thinks that you’re spending too much on food, you’re a vegan who’s at risk of saying “screw it, I can’t afford to be this awesome.” Sure, dried beans and rice are super cheap, but I don’t know very many people who purposely try to eat as cheaply as possible, so I thought it’d be a good idea to go over the three main areas where people in general think a vegan diet costs more than a “normal” North American diet.

Like I said, there are three main areas where people get this idea of the cost of veganism, and these are based on discussions I’ve had over the past 15 years or so. You might have had different discussions, so if you have other ideas, please share them in the comments!

Mock meats

This is a little messed up when you get into it: I haven’t done the math, but I’m going to put forth that there are a massive number of items in the average grocery store that are vegan. I’ll even submit that maybe 80% of them are vegetarian (I’m guessing there are more dairy-containing products than meaty ones, actually.)

And yet, most grocery stores I go to have a section where most of the mock meats tend to gather, and that section might even be labeled “vegetarian,” so lo and behold, that’s clearly what vegans and vegetarians eat. If you want to go vegan, therefore, you “have to” eat a ton of packaged, processed, expensive food – veggie burgers, veggie dogs, mock chicken, fake cheese, and so on.

Before I go further, let’s just point out the obvious – you don’t have to eat any mock meats, and while most people I know at a fair bit out of convenience, it’s really best to think of these as transition foods to make going vegan easier, as well as events like barbecues and picnics in a mixed meat and veg diet setting.

But anyway, I did a bit of research, and it turns out that in Canada, anyway, packaged vegan products are often cheaper than their meat equivalents. If you’re in another country, I’d love to hear your results (please actually check, don’t just assume,) but here, a box of frozen chicken breasts is a buck or two more expensive than the Gardein-based version, and the same goes for chicken nuggets. Even sandwich fillers (cold cuts and their alternatives) seemed to be about even.

Where meat tends to be cheaper is in the hot dog and burger department, and let’s face it – it’s hard to compete with what’s essentially a waste product like the typical hot dog.

When it comes to mock meats, here’s the deal: a lot of them are cheaper, we don’t have to eat them to keep our “membership card,” and despite the ruts we find ourselves in sometimes, they probably shouldn’t form the majority of any balanced diet anyway.

Fast food

Another easy way to believe veganism is more expensive is at the fast food counter. I don’t know what it’s like in your neighbourhood, but I can’t walk more than a block or two without seeing a billboard for some ridiculously cheap beef or chicken product from McDonalds or some other fast food chain.

Even if these chains offer vegan options, like a veggie burger or a salad, odds are that they’re not going to be the cheapest item on the menu.

You know what? I’m not sure that’s a bad thing. Maybe the film Supersize Me really struck a chord with me, but eating fast food on a regular basis is putting price, convenience, and yes, flavour ahead of good nutritional sense. That might sound like a no-brainer in favour of fast food the way I’ve written it, but in the bigger picture sense, that’s like saying you can get a lot more done and have more fun if you never, ever sleep. Your body really can’t handle that kind of treatment in the long term.

It really sucks that really cheap fast food is almost an economic necessity in some people’s lives, and there’ve been studies linking poverty to obesity for just this reason (here’s one about energy density: junk food has more calories per dollar than whole food, among other issues.) It sucks even more that a vegan diet that meets all your nutrition requirements might cost more than a fast food diet that can cause a ton of health problems, and what sucks most of all is living in a society that’s more willing to think of the fast food diet as normal and an equivalently-priced vegan diet that might be deficient in some nutrients as the irresponsible one.

(And before you get all mad at me, I’m sure it’s possible to manage a fully adequate vegan diet for the same price as cheap fast food, and I’m not trying to put all low income people in the same bucket, but if you’re in a situation where you feel fast/junk food is your only option, there are most likely other things that’ll need to be overcome (both in your mind and in your physical reality) before you can plan an adequate vegan diet on a budget.)

So yes, I’ll concede that meat-based fast food is probably cheaper than vegan fast food, but here’s my answer to that: stop eating so much fast food, and hey, if we’re talking restaurants, let’s compare checks at a sit-down establishment, where I have to drink an awful lot of (vegan friendly) booze to match the price of a meat-based meal, especially at the fancy-pants places.

Organic produce

The last area where veganism can be seen as expensive is the idea that vegans eat nothing but organic produce. This isn’t too far out there. For starters, meat eaters thinking about veganism are going to have to buy more fruits and vegetables than they might be used to – the meat in the middle of many plates doesn’t leave room for much else. “Organic” just happens to be mixed into “healthy” which gets associated with “vegan” in a lot of mental word association games.

But really, “you have to buy more vegetables” or even organic vegetables isn’t a “going vegan” expense; it’s a simple price of healthy eating. I’m sure there are vegans out there who eat mostly grains with very little green on their plate.

And kudos to those who do, but we don’t eat exclusively organic in our home. We’ll pick out the bargains, but prices vary on any given week, and if the price difference is significant for something like celery or broccoli, we’ll go for the conventionally grown version. For us, I’m happy that there are more options available than there used to be, and that I often can find organic stuff for even cheaper than the regular items, but I don’t stress too much over it.

Your own decision process might vary, but my response to this line of attack on the cost of food is along the lines of “well, that’s just part of a healthy diet even if you eat meat.” I think we’ve got enough to talk about without getting into debates that aren’t central to the main issues.

It’s 90% perception

If I was to eat nothing but filet mignon and lobster, a meat-based diet would be really expensive, and I think a lot of the cost arguments around veganism fall into the same group. If you go into anything with assumptions about what you “have” to eat, you’re going to be limited in how you can end up.

I’m confident that a vegan diet is possible on a wide range of budgets, just like a meat-based one. Hopefully I’ve addressed the big items that come up when this idea is challenged, but if you have any other ideas that you’ve either wondered about or encountered in discussion, let’s talk in the comments!

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Wow, check out this excerpt from the VRG mailing list about the KFC “Unchicken Sandwich” that we apparently have in Canada – I’m just going to paste it in in italics here without much preamble, form your own thoughts and then you can see what I think after.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA) announced in June 2008 that KFC Canada would be offering a vegan mock chicken patty in 461 Prizm-owned franchised stores and some corporate-owned stores who chose to offer it. The Unchicken Sandwich is intended to be a permanent part of the menu according to Matt Prescott of PeTA. He told us that a Canadian company would be supplying KFC Canada with the patty but that the restaurants would do the battering. Prescott said that no KFC in the United States, (or anywhere else in the world), carries this product at this time.

The VRG interviewed the president of the company selling the unchicken patty to KFC Canada. He informed us that his company would be manufacturing the patty and breading it. Both the patty and the breading are all-vegetable. He stated that the bun used by KFC Canada contains milk products. He was not sure of the cooking method used by KFC Canada, but told us that the patty could be prepared by microwave or toaster.

The VRG called KFC Canada and was told by Rick, a customer service representative, to call its Public Relations firm because he had no information about the Unchicken Sandwich.

Yvonne, A PR representative for KFC Canada, did confirm for us that the patty in the Unchicken Sandwich is all-vegetable. She wasn’t sure about the breading ingredients or who prepares the breading and how, but told us that she would ask KFC Canada and get back to us.

Yvonne told us that the sandwich can be ordered without mayonnaise. She could not confirm whether the bun contains milk products, whether the patty could be ordered without the bun, or with an all-vegetable bun (or even if there were any at KFC Canada used with other sandwiches). She also did not know about the cooking method of the patty (whether it was microwaved or cooked in oil along with meat products).

In January 2009, the last time that we spoke with Yvonne, she reiterated what PeTA told us: the Unchicken Sandwich is offered in over four hundred restaurants throughout Canada, mostly Prizm-franchised restaurants and in some of the corporate-owned restaurants as well. Yvonne could not say that the product is considered a permanent menu item. She said that only permanent menu items are listed on the website and acknowledged that the Unchicken Sandwich is not listed there.

The VRG has called the PR firm several times since July 2008, always with the same questions. We are always told that no further information is available because KFC Canada is not responding to their emails requesting more information.

OK, I’m back. I couldn’t help but read this with a sense of nostalgia. I’ve tried chasing down ingredients and processing information before from companies and this is often how it goes. It’s what inspired me to post the ingredients list is dead and why we aim to supply multiple reader-submitted responses for each product on Barnivore, our vegan alcohol directory.

At the end of the day, the average big company doesn’t care about your dietary (or other) preferences. The political games between marketing, product development, and logistics teams take up about 95% of the average day, and they’re a much more entertaining way to fill up the 40 hours a week needed to qualify for a paycheck. There are good people in every company, and if you phrase the question right, of course they want to make a difference and bring cool things to the people, but the organizational structure makes it hard for that intent to show through.

There was a time in my life where I would have thought we as vegans had a responsibility to purchase crap from companies that was remotely vegan to “prove there was a market.” I now believe that these are transition foods that are being purchased by people who are curious about different diets, and they outnumber vegans by a wide margin. They’re the ones who are going to cause a product to sink or swim, and you know what? They’re going to be a better judge of whether or not the product is actually any good, because that’s what they’re going to care about. “Supporting the market” is the reason we still have crappy veggie burgers with peas and corn in them (I know, it’s nice to have something that doesn’t look like meat, but calling those things burgers makes us an easy target for mockery from just about everyone else.)

I’m glad KFC’s doing some experiments in new markets. Frankly, they’re going to have to do more of this, because we’re going to win eventually, dammit. However, I don’t feel like I have to be a part of this one. Is the Unchicken sandwich vegan or even vegetarian? I don’t personally care. Is it going to be the first stepping stone for an omnivore to make the transition to a plant-based diet? To me, that’s a much more interesting conversation that doesn’t require accurate information from any food producer.

(By the way, if you didn’t get the VRG report directly from them in your inbox, you should send an email to listserv@listserv.aol.com with the following message: SUB VRG-News {your first and last name} (without the {} brackets.) They send out a ton of interesting stuff once a month, and it’s well worth your attention. I love how old school VRG is with their aol.com list – it’s not a sign that they’re behind the times; it’s more like they’ve got an institution with ancient marble columns while their peers work out of glass skyscrapers. History, eh?)

Photo swiped from Consumerist‘s post about the same topic. They got it from Getty.

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