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		<title>By: Hilary</title>
		<link>http://stayingvegan.com/2010/05/lies-damn-lies-and-nutrition-info/comment-page-1/#comment-738</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 00:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the best books I&#039;ve ever read when it comes to diet/nutrition and &quot;myths&quot; is &quot;The China Study&quot; by T. Colin Campbell. It&#039;s an accumulation of over 30 years of research (but not just his but other top scientists) and gives a quite good evidence that a wholefoods, plant based diet &quot;strongly reduces&quot; the chance of the main diseases that plague western society. I found it really enlightening because one thing i struggled with is that if Veganism is such a healthy lifestyle - why is there all this misinformation out there about what is healthy and what is not. Why are there ads on TV telling me I need milk/cheese/red meat three times a week to be a healthy individual? And the book answered that question for me too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the best books I&#8217;ve ever read when it comes to diet/nutrition and &#8220;myths&#8221; is &#8220;The China Study&#8221; by T. Colin Campbell. It&#8217;s an accumulation of over 30 years of research (but not just his but other top scientists) and gives a quite good evidence that a wholefoods, plant based diet &#8220;strongly reduces&#8221; the chance of the main diseases that plague western society. I found it really enlightening because one thing i struggled with is that if Veganism is such a healthy lifestyle &#8211; why is there all this misinformation out there about what is healthy and what is not. Why are there ads on TV telling me I need milk/cheese/red meat three times a week to be a healthy individual? And the book answered that question for me too.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan from Southampton, UK</title>
		<link>http://stayingvegan.com/2010/05/lies-damn-lies-and-nutrition-info/comment-page-1/#comment-606</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan from Southampton, UK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 14:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, finally I have an answer to the &quot;Meat = Brains&quot; argument that I shall use next time it comes up so thanks Sayward and tomb7890! 

I don&#039;t know why people need to argue about what I choose to eat but people always seem to want to point out that I am *wrong* because I have a different lifestyle to them. 

I&#039;d also like to know about the other stages in the 5 Stages of Veganism. I think I&#039;m at the &quot;I totally want to be a Vegan but sometimes get so fed up with people criticising/commenting/judging/asking about *everything* I eat that I want to give up&quot; stage. 

Q: What&#039;s that you&#039;re eating? 
A: Salad. 
Q: Can vegans eat salad then? 
A: Sigh...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, finally I have an answer to the &#8220;Meat = Brains&#8221; argument that I shall use next time it comes up so thanks Sayward and tomb7890! </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why people need to argue about what I choose to eat but people always seem to want to point out that I am *wrong* because I have a different lifestyle to them. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to know about the other stages in the 5 Stages of Veganism. I think I&#8217;m at the &#8220;I totally want to be a Vegan but sometimes get so fed up with people criticising/commenting/judging/asking about *everything* I eat that I want to give up&#8221; stage. </p>
<p>Q: What&#8217;s that you&#8217;re eating?<br />
A: Salad.<br />
Q: Can vegans eat salad then?<br />
A: Sigh&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://stayingvegan.com/2010/05/lies-damn-lies-and-nutrition-info/comment-page-1/#comment-602</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 17:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, it&#039;s like I said - calories.  Thanks for a more credible source than mine though; let this be a further lesson about JAG advice: my &quot;source&quot; for my calorie/nutrient information was the latest issue of Iron Man (#25, by Matt Fraction, recommended.) That was a little inside joke for me, mostly, but for this context and level of detail required, it seemed appropriate :)

Lately I&#039;ve been pushing back against any &quot;in our nature, historically&quot; arguments in favour of optimal nutrition for our individual circumstances.  I&#039;m still pushing vegan all the way, but if we live in a world where we can eat raw all the time, then I think it&#039;s worth considering if that&#039;s something you believe would be good for you. I&#039;m not convinced that, for example, we should focus our eating on seasonal foods specifically because it&#039;s often claimed that our bodies digest different things better at different times of the year.  I&#039;ve no idea if that&#039;s true, but it&#039;s a Cheerleading tidbit I&#039;ve heard many times.  That said, there are environmental considerations with food that isn&#039;t local which might mean more than any health pros or cons, again, depending on your circumstances...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, it&#8217;s like I said &#8211; calories.  Thanks for a more credible source than mine though; let this be a further lesson about JAG advice: my &#8220;source&#8221; for my calorie/nutrient information was the latest issue of Iron Man (#25, by Matt Fraction, recommended.) That was a little inside joke for me, mostly, but for this context and level of detail required, it seemed appropriate <img src='http://stayingvegan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Lately I&#8217;ve been pushing back against any &#8220;in our nature, historically&#8221; arguments in favour of optimal nutrition for our individual circumstances.  I&#8217;m still pushing vegan all the way, but if we live in a world where we can eat raw all the time, then I think it&#8217;s worth considering if that&#8217;s something you believe would be good for you. I&#8217;m not convinced that, for example, we should focus our eating on seasonal foods specifically because it&#8217;s often claimed that our bodies digest different things better at different times of the year.  I&#8217;ve no idea if that&#8217;s true, but it&#8217;s a Cheerleading tidbit I&#8217;ve heard many times.  That said, there are environmental considerations with food that isn&#8217;t local which might mean more than any health pros or cons, again, depending on your circumstances&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sayward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sayward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 16:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tomb7890 - I was just about to say the same thing, even including the book reference!  =D  I haven&#039;t read the book myself, but NPRs Science Friday had a very interesting segment with the author.

It totally makes sense to me, much more so than meat = big brains. I mean, lions and domestic dogs eat plenty of meat, and they&#039;re not out driving cars or surfing the net. Cooking however is uniquely human, it&#039;s the thing that sets us apart. A fascinating theory!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tomb7890 &#8211; I was just about to say the same thing, even including the book reference!  =D  I haven&#8217;t read the book myself, but NPRs Science Friday had a very interesting segment with the author.</p>
<p>It totally makes sense to me, much more so than meat = big brains. I mean, lions and domestic dogs eat plenty of meat, and they&#8217;re not out driving cars or surfing the net. Cooking however is uniquely human, it&#8217;s the thing that sets us apart. A fascinating theory!</p>
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		<title>By: tomb7890</title>
		<link>http://stayingvegan.com/2010/05/lies-damn-lies-and-nutrition-info/comment-page-1/#comment-600</link>
		<dc:creator>tomb7890</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 16:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, Iyabo--meat has no essential nutrients that played an important evolutionary role. However, there is an important book that came out last year by Harvard&#039;s Richard Wrangham that I can&#039;t recommend highly enough: &quot;Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human.&quot;  Wrangham&#039;s very persuasive argument is that cooked meat and plant food (especially starchy tubers) is what provided the high calories our ancestors needed to evolve into what we have become. It&#039;s really an exciting idea: cooking as literally human nature.

He opens the book by undermining the notion that raw diets are natural. As he shows, raw is a lifestyle choice that can only really be followed if you live in an industrial society with grocery stores with refrigerated produce sections. On the other hand, he does allow that eating raw as a good way to lose weight. Which is an interest of a growing number of us who living in what is sometimes called our Toxic Food Environment. 

This may be a bummer to some of us or our friends who have committed to raw. But isn&#039;t doesn&#039;t this go direct to the topic of Scientific Cheerleading?  We always need to be ready to reassess our positions and arguments, especially if we hope to peruade others of our intellectual and moral legitimacy. Raw still has a lot going for it, especially phytochemicals and micronutrients. But arguing that an exclusively raw diet is somehow our nature is looking increasingly dubious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, Iyabo&#8211;meat has no essential nutrients that played an important evolutionary role. However, there is an important book that came out last year by Harvard&#8217;s Richard Wrangham that I can&#8217;t recommend highly enough: &#8220;Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human.&#8221;  Wrangham&#8217;s very persuasive argument is that cooked meat and plant food (especially starchy tubers) is what provided the high calories our ancestors needed to evolve into what we have become. It&#8217;s really an exciting idea: cooking as literally human nature.</p>
<p>He opens the book by undermining the notion that raw diets are natural. As he shows, raw is a lifestyle choice that can only really be followed if you live in an industrial society with grocery stores with refrigerated produce sections. On the other hand, he does allow that eating raw as a good way to lose weight. Which is an interest of a growing number of us who living in what is sometimes called our Toxic Food Environment. </p>
<p>This may be a bummer to some of us or our friends who have committed to raw. But isn&#8217;t doesn&#8217;t this go direct to the topic of Scientific Cheerleading?  We always need to be ready to reassess our positions and arguments, especially if we hope to peruade others of our intellectual and moral legitimacy. Raw still has a lot going for it, especially phytochemicals and micronutrients. But arguing that an exclusively raw diet is somehow our nature is looking increasingly dubious.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 20:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iyabo, I haven&#039;t heard that particular theory, but I heard a variant that might make you feel better: no source, total JAG-attributed info, but basically I&#039;d heard that the mysterious nutrition element that was in meat was... calories!  Which makes sense if you think about it, meat being calorie-dense compared to what one could forage for, but in modern times, calories aren&#039;t exactly hard to come by.  Sure, that still gives meat credit of some sort, but it&#039;s possible we would have found some other way over time.

Again, that&#039;s a Some Guy quote, but it&#039;s worth as much as the &quot;Some Scientific Article&quot; your dad&#039;s citing, I reckon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iyabo, I haven&#8217;t heard that particular theory, but I heard a variant that might make you feel better: no source, total JAG-attributed info, but basically I&#8217;d heard that the mysterious nutrition element that was in meat was&#8230; calories!  Which makes sense if you think about it, meat being calorie-dense compared to what one could forage for, but in modern times, calories aren&#8217;t exactly hard to come by.  Sure, that still gives meat credit of some sort, but it&#8217;s possible we would have found some other way over time.</p>
<p>Again, that&#8217;s a Some Guy quote, but it&#8217;s worth as much as the &#8220;Some Scientific Article&#8221; your dad&#8217;s citing, I reckon.</p>
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		<title>By: Iyabo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iyabo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 19:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey!

What Sayward said made me think about something I read in a book. We often compare the best part of veganism/vegetarianism to the worst part of omnivorism and that isn&#039;t fair. It&#039;d be more fair to compare our best to their best and our worst to their worst. 

I&#039;m not sure what my favorite bit of info is, but there is something that my dad loves saying to me but gets on my nerves. He claims that he read in some scientific article that the reason that humans were able to develop higher brain functions is because out bodies figured out how to assimilate nutrition from meat that wasn&#039;t available in our previously vegan diet. So he tells me that it&#039;s nice that I&#039;m vegetarian, I have meat-eaters to thank for my higher intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey!</p>
<p>What Sayward said made me think about something I read in a book. We often compare the best part of veganism/vegetarianism to the worst part of omnivorism and that isn&#8217;t fair. It&#8217;d be more fair to compare our best to their best and our worst to their worst. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what my favorite bit of info is, but there is something that my dad loves saying to me but gets on my nerves. He claims that he read in some scientific article that the reason that humans were able to develop higher brain functions is because out bodies figured out how to assimilate nutrition from meat that wasn&#8217;t available in our previously vegan diet. So he tells me that it&#8217;s nice that I&#8217;m vegetarian, I have meat-eaters to thank for my higher intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Sayward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sayward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 17:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you! This is brilliant, such an important point. The nutritional misinformation myths are the ones that worry me most. I feel like I&#039;m constantly running around the internet correcting people that no, you can&#039;t get significant B12 from algae or greens or wheat germ or any other natural vegan source for that matter. Just eat fortified food or supplement please, it doesn&#039;t mean veganism is *wrong*!

It&#039;s so important to be honest and realistic about veganism, and to be informed. We can only promote the movement if we are healthy, intelligent vegans!

Also, I&#039;d love to hear more about these 5 stages of veganism.  =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you! This is brilliant, such an important point. The nutritional misinformation myths are the ones that worry me most. I feel like I&#8217;m constantly running around the internet correcting people that no, you can&#8217;t get significant B12 from algae or greens or wheat germ or any other natural vegan source for that matter. Just eat fortified food or supplement please, it doesn&#8217;t mean veganism is *wrong*!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so important to be honest and realistic about veganism, and to be informed. We can only promote the movement if we are healthy, intelligent vegans!</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;d love to hear more about these 5 stages of veganism.  =)</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 21:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey I just thought I would share a couple links to some nifty sites.

Worlds Healthiest Foods - lots of awesome nutrition info, seasonal produce info, food of the week, all sorts of nifty info
http://whfoods.com/

Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine - good info, best veggie starter guide, they have real research that they do, animal rights advocacy, school lunch &quot;report card&quot; rewarding schools with good healthy lunches, all sorts of good stuff
http://pcrm.org/

also check out nutrition info in http://stronglifts.com/blog/
which is a weightlifting site with very interesting stuff like this - http://stronglifts.com/vegetarian-vegan-protein-build-muscle-diet/

also check out the annoying people at http://www.beyondveg.com/ to hear about their so called research on the paleo diet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I just thought I would share a couple links to some nifty sites.</p>
<p>Worlds Healthiest Foods &#8211; lots of awesome nutrition info, seasonal produce info, food of the week, all sorts of nifty info<br />
<a href="http://whfoods.com/" rel="nofollow">http://whfoods.com/</a></p>
<p>Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine &#8211; good info, best veggie starter guide, they have real research that they do, animal rights advocacy, school lunch &#8220;report card&#8221; rewarding schools with good healthy lunches, all sorts of good stuff<br />
<a href="http://pcrm.org/" rel="nofollow">http://pcrm.org/</a></p>
<p>also check out nutrition info in <a href="http://stronglifts.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">http://stronglifts.com/blog/</a><br />
which is a weightlifting site with very interesting stuff like this &#8211; <a href="http://stronglifts.com/vegetarian-vegan-protein-build-muscle-diet/" rel="nofollow">http://stronglifts.com/vegetarian-vegan-protein-build-muscle-diet/</a></p>
<p>also check out the annoying people at <a href="http://www.beyondveg.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.beyondveg.com/</a> to hear about their so called research on the paleo diet</p>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 11:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great read!
My go-to source for things nutrition is http://www.nutritiondata.com/
Did you know 1 cup of Lentils has over 1/3 of your RDI of Iron?
You can do searches based on specific nutrients you are looking for and narrow it down to food types (fruit, vegetables etc) and in addition to having whole foods, they also have the data for some packaged foods. 

If I were a burlesque entertainer, I would be a sexy-scientist cheerleader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great read!<br />
My go-to source for things nutrition is <a href="http://www.nutritiondata.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nutritiondata.com/</a><br />
Did you know 1 cup of Lentils has over 1/3 of your RDI of Iron?<br />
You can do searches based on specific nutrients you are looking for and narrow it down to food types (fruit, vegetables etc) and in addition to having whole foods, they also have the data for some packaged foods. </p>
<p>If I were a burlesque entertainer, I would be a sexy-scientist cheerleader.</p>
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